Exploring God through Logic and Science - Whole Foods 226 E 57th (btn 2nd & 3rd)
sam. 3 novembre à 22:00
Welcome to Exploring God through Logic and Science! Our events are always free, RSVPing is not absolutely necessary, and we should feel free to come to our meetings late or leave early. We'll be joined by members of the Conversations New York Meetup Group. For additional RSVPs, please visit https://www.meetup.com/Conversations-New-York/ We're here to have a lot of fun, and make new friends, exploring a very deep and mysterious topic. Because the exploration of God is also somewhat controversial, it's very important that we always remain civil and respectful of each other. To most of us God is an entity that we believe exists, rather than an entity that we understand logically and scientifically exists. In this meetup we evolve beyond our world's often archaic traditional religious beliefs to examine whether or not God must logically exist, and whether science provides ample evidence of God's existence. We then explore God's nature, under this reason and science-based context. The group's official position is that God is a logically and scientifically undeniable truth, notwithstanding mistaken notions of God's nature by our world's religions over the last few millennia. We're, of course, open to hearing about, and exploring, any definitions and descriptions of God as long as they are based on logic and science rather than merely on what some guy a few thousand years ago purportedly said. To get us started, here's a proof for the existence and nature of God that we might want to explore. Before we start, in order to prove or disprove God's existence, we need to agree on what exactly God is. In terms of Her/His five most fundamental attributes, God is generally defined as omnipresent, eternal, the creator, omnipotent, and omniscient. If this conception of God seems a lot like the God described in the Bible, that’s because it essentially IS the God described in the Bible. Yes, we’ve needed to reject some attributes of God that have been proposed over the course of history, like Her/His transcendence. But that’s because some definitions of God simply defy logic, and are thereby inaccurate; i.e., it would be self-contradictory, or illogical, for God to be both everything and transcendent. I think we would agree that God is accurately defined as omnipresent, or everything. And we all clearly agree that everything does, in fact, exist, and sometimes refer to this everything as the universe. My thesis is that from this attribute of omnipresence, or "being everything, God's other four attributes can be logically derived, thereby logically proving God’s existence. First, because God is everything, nothing exists that is not God. God is, in fact, the only entity or "thing" that exists. That naturally means that God IS the universe. And because everything includes time, or all of the past, present, and future, God’s attribute of omnipresence also means that God must be eternal, having always existed and existing evermore. Because God is everything, S/He is the only entity that exists, and thus the only entity that can logically make happen anything that happens. So, God must have "created" our world, or observable universe. Through this same omnipresence, God is also logically understood to be omnipotent, defined as what causes everything that CAN happen to happen. No, God cannot do the impossible, like make one plus one equal three. Because all "non-material" aspects of our universe like knowledge, intelligence, purpose, understanding, intent, etc., are part of everything, they must therefore logically all be part of God. It’s not just that God knows, or thinks, or intends anything that has ever been known, thought or intended. God IS knowing, thinking and intending. Because God is everything, and knowledge is a part of everything, God must know everything that can be known, and must therefore logically be considered to be omniscient. So, if God is defined as everything, God must exist.